Posts by Smoldering Wick

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A Prelude To JW Breakaways???????

by ladonna in

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friends

could this possibly lead to the wtbts having a major breakaway from their main belief system as we have known it?

could the wtbts break into many differing religions with different names?

i raise this issue as so many articles seem to point towards the jw's wanting to avoid any further litigation against them.. http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/004/12.25.html.

Smoldering Wick

ladonna,

I was curious about this article too. I was wondering about the Vow of Poverty that full time workers have to sign...as well as the various corporations the WTBTS have instituted to avoid legal action.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=22382&site=3

Also, the article mentioned three corporations that were added:
Kingdom Support Services Inc., will focus on the everyday needs of individual congregations
Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses, will interact with full-time workers, who take a vow of poverty
Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, will oversee religious matters
Is there more information on these corporations? Was this only a political move to avoid legal action or are they acting corporations?

But, I only got one response LOL. I've really got to work on the names of my threads...perhaps it should have been "JWs try Different Positions"

wick
(of the fallen through the cracks class)

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Why do JW cringe at certain words?

by TR in

for example: bulletin board.

(from cambridge international dictionary of english).

(british and australian) a notice board (am bulletin board) is a board on a wall on which notices can be fixed.

Smoldering Wick

Maybe someone in the writing department could really predict the future and they wanted to demonize the word WAY in advance:

*** km 9/95 6 Maintaining a Balanced View of Computer Technology ***
9 Other Serious Pitfalls: As outlined on page 17 of the August 1, 1993, issue of The Watchtower, connecting a computer to an electronic bulletin board can open the way to serious spiritual dangers. Just as an unscrupulous individual can place on a bulletin board a virus—a program designed to corrupt and destroy computer files—apostates, clergymen, and persons seeking to corrupt others morally or otherwise can freely place their poisonous ideas on bulletin boards. Unless a bulletin board, even one labeled “JW Only,” is properly supervised, with its use being limited to those who are mature, faithful servants of Jehovah, it could expose Christian users to “bad associations.” (1 Cor. 15:33) The Society has received reports that such so-called private networks have been used not only to speculate regarding spiritual matters but also to give bad advice, spread gossip and false information, plant negative ideas, raise questions and doubts that subvert the faith of some, and disseminate private interpretations of Scripture. On the surface, some information may appear to be interesting and informative, and yet it may be laced with poisonous elements. Christians look to “the faithful and discreet slave” for timely spiritual food and for clarifications. (See The Watchtower of July 1, 1994, pages 9-11.) A Christian has the serious responsibility to safeguard his faith against all corrupting influences and, basic to that, should always know with whom he is associating.—Matt. 24:45-47; 2 John 10, 11.

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Who's Who in the WBTS

by bj in

jw
friends

many are those of us here who often ask who's who in the wbts.

to simplify things it would be a good idea if a volunteer would create a web site specificaly with this aim.

it could lead also for a book.. if one needs to consult the biography of don adams, joel adams, karl adams, etc., this site would furnish the answer.

Smoldering Wick

Mar 4, 2002 8:10 bj wrote:

Many are those of us here who often ask who's who in the WBTS. To simplify things it would be a good idea if a volunteer would create a web site specificaly with this aim.

Mar 4, 2002 8:20 nelly136 wrote:

http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/gb.htm

This tells me one of two things...either Solomon was right there "is nothing new under the sun" even in Apostate Land. (Eccl 1:9)or Nelly is just really, really fast.

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? about the Lords's Prayer and JWs

by rekless in

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friends

i was in the org.

for 35 years, and it never once occurred to me why we never taught our children the lord's pray.. our father who art in heaven hollow be thy name..... anybody have any reason for our ignoring the most perfect prayer offered up by god's son.. my fiance' ask me this tonight i can't explain it except that it would have turned into a repetitive expression like all our prayers were anyway... hell is truth seen too late.

h.g.adams

Smoldering Wick

I was logging off , shouldn't have stopped in here! I have no self control in the middle of the night.

what's wrong with us...do we think we're gonna miss out on something good??? I've lost HOURS of sleep that I'll NEVER get back!

Good night
.........plmkrzy

*sigh* night (wonders if plmkrzy really went to bed)

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Just For You

by ladonna in

hi honey,.

just for you if you drop by here........ the first time ever i saw your face.

i thought the sun rose in your eyes.

Smoldering Wick

Hi Ana...didn't know you cared.

I love you too!

wick ;)

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I'm new here

by konkreetgurl in

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friends

hey everybody, i'm a christian, but i'm not a jehovah's witness and i recently made friends with one, i know little to nothing about this religion and i would like to know more, can anyone help me out by way of how it is different from say, an evangelical free christian church?

and what sort of theology and doctrine jw's go by and such, i'd really appreciate it, thank you

Smoldering Wick

Hi konkreetgurl and welcome. It's nice that you have made friends and are interested in what he/she believes. There is a lot of information about JWs online. I will try to be brief...and give you a little bit. I had to look up what an evangelical free Christian church believes before I could try and compare them to JWs.

JWs do not believe that a person is saved through faith...works play a big part in their salvation.

JWs do not believe Jesus died on a cross...but, a "stake"

JWs believe that only 144,000 are born of the Holy Spirit, and thus become children of God. (Anointed, Heavenly Hope)

JWs believe that there is a second class of people who will be saved but to live here on earth, not heaven. These are called the "Great Crowd of Other Sheep"

JWs believe that the Lord's Supper is the only ordinance to be observed by them.

evangelical free Christian church believes:

That Jesus Christ is the Lord and Head of the Church, and that every local church has the right under Christ to decide and govern its own affairs. [1 Corinthians 3:11; 1 Timothy 3]

JWs believe that a group of men in New York (who are part of the remaining ones of the 144,000 who go to heaven) are the only ones who have the right to make all the decisions for JWs worldwide. They are called the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" A JW cannot doubt or question these decisions or they will be Disfellowshipped (Kicked out, Excommunicated, Shunned by Family and Friends)

JWs do not believe in a fiery Hell. But, consider Hell not a place of torment but merely the grave.

JWs do not believe in the Trinity. They believe there is only One God and His name is Jehovah. His Son is "a" god, not "the" god. The holy spirit is a force not a person.

JWs do not believe in the immortality of the soul. They believe when you die you merely cease to exist until you are called in the resurrection. They believe that the 144,000 will be resurrected to heaven as soon as they die...but, the "Other Sheep" will have to wait until after Armageddon.

JWs believe that God will destroy all the wicked on earth (99.9% of earth's population who are not JWs) and that only the "righteous" will survive.

JWs believe that you have to be baptized as a JW to survive Armageddon (be saved).

JWs believe that Satan is a real being who is controlling the earth and the political governments now.

JWs do not tolerate abortion, believe in reincarnation, the rapture, speaking in tongues, idols, purgatory.

JWs do not celebrate Birthdays, Christmas, Easter, Halloween, July 4th, Valentine's Day....etc.

JWs do not vote.

JWs do not accept blood transfusions.

JWs do not salute the flag.

JWs are supposed to marry only other JWs.

JWs cannot smoke, get drunk, gamble, celebrate holidays, vote, salute the flag, take blood, have sex outside of marriage, believe or think differently than the men in New York or they will get Disfellowshipped (Kicked out, Excommunicated, Shunned by family and friends)

I know there is a lot more...but, that will get you started.

You can also visit http://www.freeminds.org/

Hope this helps.

wick

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? about the Lords's Prayer and JWs

by rekless in

jw
friends

i was in the org.

for 35 years, and it never once occurred to me why we never taught our children the lord's pray.. our father who art in heaven hollow be thy name..... anybody have any reason for our ignoring the most perfect prayer offered up by god's son.. my fiance' ask me this tonight i can't explain it except that it would have turned into a repetitive expression like all our prayers were anyway... hell is truth seen too late.

h.g.adams

Smoldering Wick

Whenever anyone uses the term FDS...this image always pops in my brain.

FDS Feminine Deodorant Spray, Baby Powder Scent 1.5OZ

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Exercise support group

by hungry4life in

jw
friends

we have had some posts concerning body size, build and weight and it seems to be an issue that concerns many of us.

well ok i am tired of complaining about feeling out of shape and i am finally ready to do something about it.

i started jogging tonight not a whole lot (1 1/2 miles in a jog/walk combo).

Smoldering Wick

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? about the Lords's Prayer and JWs

by rekless in

jw
friends

i was in the org.

for 35 years, and it never once occurred to me why we never taught our children the lord's pray.. our father who art in heaven hollow be thy name..... anybody have any reason for our ignoring the most perfect prayer offered up by god's son.. my fiance' ask me this tonight i can't explain it except that it would have turned into a repetitive expression like all our prayers were anyway... hell is truth seen too late.

h.g.adams

Smoldering Wick

Their reasons:

*w88 3/15 6 - As a helpful guide or model, Jesus gave his disciples a prayer widely known today as the "Lord's Prayer." (Matthew 6:9-13) Though it should not be said as a ritual, it does set out the proper priorities. First come God's name and purpose. Next are listed material needs, forgiveness, and deliverance from temptation by the wicked one.

*w88 3/15 5 - What form should prayer take? Prayer should not be a mere ritual, nor should it be read from a book; neither should prayer contain repetitive phrases as though repetition makes it more effective.

*it-2 668-9 - The prayer given by Jesus to his disciples was evidently a model, or a basic pattern, because later prayers by Jesus himself, as well as by his disciples, did not rigidly adhere to the specific words of his model prayer. (Mt 6:9-13) In its initial words, this prayer concentrates on the prime issue, calling for the sanctification of God's name, which began to be reproached by the rebellion in Eden, as well as for the realization of the divine will by means of the promised Kingdom, which government is headed by the prophesied Seed, the Messiah. (Ge 3:15; see JEHOVAH [Name to Be Sanctified and Vindicated].) Such prayer requires that the one praying be definitely on God's side in the issue.

*w90 1/15 5 Jehovah does not answer insincere, repetitive prayers. Said Jesus: "But when praying, do not say the same things over and over again, just as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words. So, do not make yourselves like them, for God your Father knows what things you are needing before ever you ask him." (Matthew 6:7, 8)

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Whats the Wisest one liner that you can come ....?

by Celtic in

jw
friends

whats the 'wisest' one liner that you can come out with?.

peace.

celty

Smoldering Wick

I can never be limited to one option...it comes from my life in advertising.
-wick

I think the next best thing to solving a problem is finding some humor in it.
- Frank A. Clark

It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
- William G. McAdoo

Opinions are flexible prejudices.
- Gerald Horton Bath

It's difficult to work in a group when you're omnipotent
-Q, Star Trek

...the amount of pain we inflict upon others is directly proportional to the amount we feel within us.
- Sydney J. Harris

To ease another's heartache is to forget one's own.
- Abraham Lincoln

There is nobody so irritating as somebody with less intelligence and more sense than we have.
- Unknown

People hasten to judge in order not to be judged themselves.
- Albert Camus

When the heart weeps for what it has lost, the spirit laughs for what it has found.
- Unknown

A "No" uttered from deepest conviction is better and greater than a "Yes" merely uttered to please, or what is worse, to avoid trouble.
- Mohandis K. Gandhi

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.
- Mahatma Ghandi

We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are.
- Anais Nin

"A mind stretched to a new idea never goes back to its original dimensions."
-Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

Most people are about as happy as they make their minds up to be.
-Abraham Lincoln

Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in awhile, you could miss it.
-Ferris Bueller:

If you prick me, do I not leak?
-Data, Star Trek